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16 August 2006 @ 02:31 pm
Spangel is my otp (in case you missed the memo)  
so, I tried to write fic last night, but I was too tired. instead, I ended up vomiting my brains out on paper, which wasn't nearly as painful as it sounds. decided to post it, even though this is possibly of interest only to me. but if you've ever wondered what rock I suddenly crawled out from under, I'll show you.

Because I’ve been thinking about.
Spangel.


Not that I don’t think about them a lot already. Usually in graphic detail. But I’ve been thinking about them in more of an abstract way. How I love them. And I’m feeling a bit nostalgic.

I found the boys doing the nasty a long time ago, by accident. Well, ok, when I actually found the boys getting all sweaty, it was on purpose. But I found talk of them getting naked together with utter blind luck.

I was looking for a timeline. Been watching old episodes of Angel, kinda nostalgic, and as a virgo, I wanted order to the flashbacks. Wanted to know what happened when. The internet’s great like that. The other way the internet is great is that sometimes you google something and end up with something else entirely.

I went looking for a timeline, and ended up with a ship manifesto.

I was just…at first I was confused. Frankly, I’d never even heard of fan fiction, much less slash. I always had kind of fannish obsessions with television shows, but mostly my enthusiasm existed in a bubble, outside of 16-year-old first-period dishing with friends on what had happened on Dawson’s Creek (cringe), or the X-files. No one I knew watched Buffy, or when it aired, Angel.

But now here I was, reading this essay on how Angel and Spike were clearly romantically and/or sexually involved…or in the least, that they wanted to be. And I was flabbergasted and utterly intrigued by the idea…and what’s more, it didn’t feel like a stretch at all. It was just a bare-bones evidence kind of thing…the moments every spangel shipper knows. Anyway, I really…couldn’t deny the evidence. I hadn’t even seen Angel season 5 at that point, because when it aired I was without a television, busy drinking away my brain cells as a freshman in college. Even never having seen the UST and softer moments of that season, I was reading this thing and…well…jesus, two of my favorite male characters had been having sex right under my nose! On network television! I felt like my eyes had been peeled wide open, it was such a lightning-bolt revelation.

OTP at first sight.

Of course, I had no idea what an otp was at that point. And even when I finally figured it out, a year or so later, I thought it was kind of dumb, because I had no real pairing loyalty. Throw a bunch of bodies in a bed together, and I’m happy…show me how their canon personalities deal with one another, and I’m even happier. Basically I thought the exclusivity of the otp concept was bunk. But really, I already had one. Even though I’m a pairing slut, there’s no doubt that Spangel is the only non-canon pairing that I believe in my spangelly little heart of hearts happened off-camera. For example, I love me some spander but…I don’t think they were really doing it in the basement. Maybe post-Chosen/NFA? Who knows. Xander was a closet case, and Spike is sex on legs, so anything is possible.

But I digress.

So, fresh off of reading this essay, still kind of reeling (and feeling so naughty), I found myself some Spangel porn. Luckily, it didn’t take me long to find Captain Peroxide and Deadboy, so I was able to mainline quality stuff right off the bat. And I felt naughtier.

The other thing I must confess, is that I’d never really thought of boy-on-boy action as hot. I’d never thought of it as not hot, either. I’d mostly just…not thought of it, except in a liberal I-support-the-right-of-people-to-love-who-they-want kind of way. I’d seen some commercial gay porn, but it was really scary commercial gay porn and not hot at all. God, I’m having flashbacks. Since then there has been Corbin Fisher (thanks to [info]so_sharlemaine) and all is right with the world.

Anyway, suffice it to say that I was really surprised to find that this stuff was hot. Made me hot, even though I didn’t have any of those parts to empathize with, and suddenly I really understood why guys dug two chicks. As a bi female, I had always understood why it got *me* hot, but…why they enjoyed it was just a little baffling to me. But now I got it, because everything that you love about the opposite sex times two? Sign me up.

And yet, I felt odd, because I didn’t know that most of these writers, and the readers, were female.

So I lurked. I lurked alllll over the place, for a long time. I think if there was a pairing out there, I dipped a toe in at least once. Mostly I read spangel. I read the light stuff, the dark stuff, the really dark stuff, and I loved it all. Found human AU and went nuts with happiness. Never left feedback. Well, actually, except once. I remember I read something of Kita’s that I just loved so much, because it was everything I loved about the pairing, and I emailed her and felt very weird about doing it, but she was nice.

Since neither show was on any more and most of the fic I was finding was older, I assumed nobody was writing the stuff any more and if I emailed people about their stuff, they’d be like, wtf, who thinks about that any more. After all, a lot of the links I found were dead, and I just assumed I’d stumbled onto a ghost town, but one I was happy to play in.

And then I found LJ.

Finding the fandom on livejournal brought me out of my lurkerdom pretty quickly, because people were talking to each other now, and it’s easier to leave fb. But I didn’t find it until last fall. Look, there are people out there! It was exciting.

And then one night, I was really in the mood for some teen AU Spangel, and I’m pretty sure I’ve read it all…and I couldn’t sleep…and Won’t Back Down was born. First time I’d felt inspired to write in 5 years. I thought that part of me was dead, the writer.

Anyway, I don’t think I have to tell the people on my flist why I love spangel, since it’s mostly preaching to the converted. I’m not much of a meta girl. I just like making them do snarky, silly, sexy things together. If you are interested in an *actual* manifesto, since this isn’t one, I think my favorite ever is this one by Romany, who I don’t know but seems to have a similar history to mine and a much better knack for expressing it.



Mostly, I think I just love them because the pairing appeals simultaneously to the romantic and the realist in me. It’s a love story that, in one way or another, spans over a century canonically. Maybe a story about losing something and finding it again. Maybe instead, a story about finding something you always wanted, where you never thought you’d find it. About how people can still surprise you, even when you’ve seen everything. How maybe even that irritating person you’re inexplicably tied to can end up being the most important constant in your life.

Even when you want to rip their head off for being such a stick-in-the-mud pompous asshole, or alternatively, an irresponsible, abrasive, snarky little banty rooster.
 
 
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My good intentions went up in smoke...[info]jans_intentions on August 16th, 2006 08:25 pm (UTC)
I'm glad spangel is your OTP, but this made me go, uh, how come it's one of mine. You have this all organized so I can follow your journey but I have no idea why I write them. I'm not sure I could even put it into words.

I'm glad I do though, and since I just finished the latest Janitor and sent it off to beta, and am working on Wings, it's obvious that I'm mostly spangel, though I don't know why. I guess...I just like it? *laughs*
Mel[info]thatotherperv on August 16th, 2006 08:29 pm (UTC)
lol! hey, just liking it is great too! I mean, that's my short answer. the rest is all cake.

hey, I don't care why you write them, as long as you do :)
they call me genius jen: spangel fan[info]girlpire on August 16th, 2006 08:49 pm (UTC)
i found spangel cause i was making my mom watch Angel, and she did an image search for david boreanaz (the big ho! [that would be my mom, not db... well, and db]) and she found a manip by jenny at lovethatdares.com, and she showed it to me because she thought it was funny. later on, i went back to that site, and i read every single fic there in about a month. and it was ALL good. i started writing "a vampire thing" before i had even read any spangel by anyone else.

i had always known that two guys together turned me on, and i already knew that angel was the hottest hot character ever, so it just made sense to me. i think angel/wesley or angel/doyle, or OH! angel/lindsey! might have been my OTP if i had found some other angel slash website first, but jenny does spangel so well that now i can't think of any other angel pairing that is as good. even the canon ones. i mean, i can read angel with anyone (and i do) but with spike? she just makes it work so perfectly.
Mel: spike have to be joking (by nashmaveric)[info]thatotherperv on August 17th, 2006 02:08 am (UTC)
lol, your mom inadvertently led you into the world of gay porn. that's kinda priceless.

thanks for sharing :) it's really neat to hear how everyone came into this
pjgale[info]pjgale on August 16th, 2006 09:32 pm (UTC)
Reading this was lovely. I'm not a spander girl but Angel and Spike-I love it!
Mel[info]thatotherperv on August 17th, 2006 02:09 am (UTC)
thanks! glad you enjoyed my little story.
calypso woodhaven[info]c_woodhaven on August 17th, 2006 12:53 am (UTC)
Ok, somehow you managed to channel me in parts of that. That is both scary and validating at the same time.
Esp. about the lurking and not leaving feedback for stories when you found them. And the finally figuring out why guys like girl-on-girl action so much.
I started reading Willow/Spike fanfic, and can remember when I stumbled on slash. Out of the blue in my lovely little Willow/Spike story out popped Xander and Angel being very naughty. It had never occured to me that people wrote gay pairings (other than maybe Willow/Tara). I got hooked, although mostly ended up being a spander girl.
Anyway, it's just interesting that I'm not the only one who had similar stumblings.
=)
~calypso
Mel: get smashed and shag (by exit47)[info]thatotherperv on August 17th, 2006 02:10 am (UTC)
<grins> I wrote this for myself, but I kinda wanted to post this because I had a feeling it was a common kind of experience. it's cool to hear how others came across it. stumbling seems to be the route of choice ;) all the cool kids are doing it!
Wendy: Spangel [info]spikesgurl on August 17th, 2006 01:12 am (UTC)
I knew there was a reason why I adored you... *g*

Viva La Spangel!!
Mel: spangel (by animebooklover)[info]thatotherperv on August 17th, 2006 02:11 am (UTC)
lol, thanks babe. long may it reign.
woman_of_[info]woman_of_ on August 17th, 2006 01:27 am (UTC)
I first found fanfic when I suffered withdrawal when Buffy ended. I went looking for anything Buffy but especially Spike. I found a few sites, mostly het.

My favourite site was The Crypt, but I avoided Slash for a time. Then I found Buffywatcher. I could not resist one of her AU Human summaries, and had to read it. Slash was nothing like I thought, it could be tender romantic and warm. Even more so than Het. I was sold (but Buffywatcher never writes any thing graphic) On I went, them started writing it myself.

I am do not limit my self with pairings or ratings, and would be as happy doing PG13 Gen, to NC17 totally shippy! But I do love my Spangel
Mel: spike tied (by animebooklover)[info]thatotherperv on August 17th, 2006 02:12 am (UTC)
you know, I had never expected the romance aspects in slash either. I think that's why I loved it. it doesn't *have* to be all wham bam.

thanks for sharing your story :)
the fan formerly known as germaine_pet: spangel heart's blood by literati[info]lynnenne on August 17th, 2006 01:32 am (UTC)
Romany's manifesto absolutely rocks, as does she. She's one of the nicest people in fandom, as well as being one of the best, smartest writers out there.

I fell for Spike before I'd ever seen an episode of AtS. But I had seen "Fool for Love," so I knew who Angel was, and I thought both guys were pretty hot. I didn't realize fanfic even existed until I was trolling the Net one day looking for photos of JM. I stumbled across a now-defunct site with some Spangel porn mixed in amongst the pretty pictures. The writing was wretched, but the idea of Spike and Angel doing it got me all hot and bothered. There were links on that site to other Spangel fanfic, and some of it was GOOD. I've never looked back. *g*

Mostly, I think I just love them because the pairing appeals simultaneously to the romantic and the realist in me.... a story about finding something you always wanted, where you never thought you’d find it.

Me, too. I'm of that school of thought that thinks both Angel *and* Spike love Buffy more than they love each other. They both adore and worship her. Neither of them could ever be said to adore or worship the other (bwah!). But they see each other with clear eyes: all their faults, all their evil deeds, all their failures and failings, and can love each other anyway. I love that about them.
Mel: threesome anyone (by scarymime)[info]thatotherperv on August 17th, 2006 02:16 am (UTC)
you know, I don't know Romany at all, but I adore her manifesto! I should probably drop her an email, huh? lol. see, I still do have lurker tendencies.

it's so funny how all of us have just stumbled into this arena...others probably stumbled and ran away, but something about us made the concept intriguing.

I really love your thoughts on Spike, Buffy, and Angel. I think that's very true. they both idealized her, at one point or another. I think at some point Angel stopped doing so (as did she, with him), and that's when the two of them started to clash. I also really appreciate that Spike and Angel see each other with clear eyes...because that's grownup love, even if theirs can be clear-eyed to the point of dysfunction, occasionally. :)

thanks for sharing, babe!
Shapinglight: spangel[info]shapinglight on August 17th, 2006 12:03 pm (UTC)
It's great to know people can still be drawn in Spangel love when the shows have been off -air for so long.

I think I discovered Spangel slash rather like you did and like for you, it struck me as not only hot but very, very plausible right from the start.

No one understands Angel like Spike and vice versa.
Mel: spike rumpled by animebooklover[info]thatotherperv on August 17th, 2006 12:14 pm (UTC)
thanks for sharing :) and I agree! but they do have the advantage of time. *g*

oh and I adore your icon!
Shapinglight[info]shapinglight on August 17th, 2006 12:42 pm (UTC)
It's a good icon, isn't it? Pretty much sums up the whole relationship.

It was made by [info]___quidam
Romany: ats-btvs: angel spike love is love and n[info]romanyg on August 17th, 2006 09:44 pm (UTC)
*waves hello*

I love seeing fandom origin stories. That's why I ended up posting my own (and thank you for the pimp, btw).

This is a wonderful place to be. I think of my life now as "before fandom" and "after fandom" which no one outside of fandom would ever understand.
Mel[info]thatotherperv on August 17th, 2006 11:35 pm (UTC)
you're welcome :)

This is a wonderful place to be. I think of my life now as "before fandom" and "after fandom" which no one outside of fandom would ever understand.
I hear you on that one!
Inca: David - Teh Sex![info]incasink on August 22nd, 2006 08:34 am (UTC)
Straight from my old teenage slash website:

Slasherphiles grew from a conversation fabricated to pass the time on the bus whilst travelling to a geography cruise in Sydney Harbour. Bizarre, but that was a long bus trip.

In an in-depth discussion about ‘Buffy’ and ‘Angel’ we somehow got around to discussing that if all vampires are sexually adventurous, and Spike and Angel lived together, they probably slept together too…yes we came up with that conclusion, like I said, long bus trip.

Anyhoo, after uncountable discussions of this subject, while on ICQ one night, Ness decided to look upon a search engine, probably Yahoo, to see if anyone else out in cyber land had also had the idea that Spike and Angel were lovers. How naive we were, to truly believe we were the one of the only ones out there. (shakes head in disbelief)


And I have trouble even *thinking* about Angel or Spike paired with anyone else. I'm on the cancer/leo cusp, could that have anything to do with it?
Mel: spikepimp (by eyesthatslay)[info]thatotherperv on August 22nd, 2006 12:15 pm (UTC)
it's so funny how the ways we come to things shapes how we view them, but I could always tell that you were a spangel-only girl. and bravo on you for having the imagination to dream the spangel dream at a young age on your own :)

I thought you lived in Sydney? maybe you didn't then. random question...have they finished doing construction on the zoo yet? I bet it's insanely huge, once they get done with the construction I saw.
Inca: Songbird[info]incasink on August 23rd, 2006 09:40 am (UTC)
No, I live in Sydney. Just not in the city-city. We have expansive general areas. "Sydney" becomes the name for anyone near there (I am about 45mins drive from Darling Harbour but I still live in Sydney.) I live in a place called 'The Sutherland Shire' (or 'the shire' for all us Shire bogans) and the name basically covers most of metropolis/suburban south city in Sydney.
ANYWAY - that's how I can live in Sydney and also travel *to* Sydney.
Inca: TomWelling[info]incasink on August 23rd, 2006 09:40 am (UTC)
oh and yeah, i think the zoo's done. They built a huge thing for some type of elephant, but then they couldnt actually house the elephants or something.
HellZiggy: necrophilia[info]hellziggy on September 5th, 2006 04:48 am (UTC)
Hi! I wandered in through the link you put in the comments of our favorite Felis's journal.
Just curious, did you ever find/put together the order of the flashbacks? That's something I've always wanted to do/find but have never gotten around to...
Mel[info]thatotherperv on September 5th, 2006 11:17 am (UTC)
I haven't quite finished doing it yet, but here's what I had so far
http://btvslover82.livejournal.com/8112.html

I have a list of the eps with the other flashbacks, but I just haven't gotten around to watchign them yet. and it's kind of not just flashbacks but any time anybody made a ref to where one of them was at a particular time (of course, that is less complete because I have no way of figuring out which eps they do that in)
[info]danna7000 on January 28th, 2007 04:05 am (UTC)
I had to laugh when I read your history. As you said, everyone’s story probably has many similarities, but I think mine so closely parallels yours. I lurked for years. I figured slash was mostly written by gay men with pen names, and that there must be something very odd about me. Then I went on one author’s website and she had her picture posted and she was actually a woman. It took me some time to get my mind around that, and I thought, okay this has to be a fluke, right? Then I read more bios and found that many of my favorite stories were written by women.

And then I found LJ. After a while I actually started reading the comments. And I realized that there was a whole community out there, mostly women, but some men, who were openly celebrating their passion for the same characters that filled my thoughts. I was extremely nervous when I opened my own LJ and made my first comments. But there have been some wonderful people out there who have reached out to me and made me feel welcome. I feel as though I have “come out of the closet” so to speak. The experience has freed me in a way that I think will extend to other areas of my life. (Still haven’t told my RL friends though. One step at a time is enough.)

I laugh about it now. I can’t believe what an idiot I am.
Mel[info]thatotherperv on January 30th, 2007 04:30 pm (UTC)
yeah, it's a funny thing, women writing slash. it's such an (seemingly) odd phenomenon that everyone is trying to explain it and they can't. lol. except for the obvious...that we think it's hot and lovely. I think it's totally understandable that we didn't realize they were other women. :)

finding LJ was so exciting! we are not alone! haha.

my sister reads my fic sometimes. but she designs, among other things, porn sites. lol. and a few of my friends read it as well. most of my RL friends don't know though. I feel like it's not so much a problem of the fact that I write slash and me being embarrassed of that at this point, as it is...I write a lot of underage stuff. and I have one or two incest pieces lurking around. all that's pretty normal in the fandom, actually, but I think it's harder for folks outside the fandom to understand. you have to be, like...indoctrinated into the culture to understand that we don't actually condone these behaviors in real life just because we read and write them. in fact some of the things I read and write, I'd be utterly horrified if I saw on the 5 o'clock news.
[info]danna7000 on January 31st, 2007 01:34 am (UTC)
If I stop to think about it, my standards for what is acceptable in fanfic are so completely different than my standards for RL.

I think someone could have a field day analyzing what that means, but I don't try to analyze it.